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#3579 Amerimerch.com

Posted by Amerimerch.com on 13 March 2014 - 01:41 PM

Hello Everyone,


www.Amerimerch.com - Our Mission is to construct an online platform in which anyone can easily discover, inspect, purchase, and enjoy American made goods and products. We are committed to the success of American manufacturers, companies, and families as well as American foundations and Military charities. We sincerely appreciate any support and assistance in continuing our growth and the amazing companies as well as foundations we represent. If you know of an awesome USA made product or own a company yourself, please feel free to reach out to us at any time. Also if you ever have any questions or suggestions, please just let us know :div20: @Amerimerch www.facebook.com/amerimerch




Amerimerch.com Co-Founder 

Gordon Allen

#650 Carhartt Statement - Press Release Oct 4, 2012

Posted by Joel on 14 November 2012 - 10:07 AM

Carhartt To Produce Seven Of Its Most Popular Products Exclusively In The United States
Responding to consumer demand, Carhartt focuses its manufacturing plants in Kentucky and Tennessee for production of exclusive USA-made apparel

Oct 4, 2012 1:19:00 PM Erica Salomon
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Made In The USA
Dearborn, MI - Carhartt, the nation’s leading brand manufacturer of rugged workwear produced in the United States, will begin manufacturing seven of its most popular products exclusively in the United States from materials that are sourced in the United States. These union-made products will be available for purchase beginning October 5.

Hamilton Carhartt founded the company in 1889 with the intention of providing America’s workers with rugged and durable apparel. Since day one, Carhartt has manufactured in the United States and continues to do so today with factories throughout Kentucky and Tennessee. The company plans to continue expanding its “Made in the USA” line of products based on consumer demand.

“For 123 years, we’ve never stopped making clothes in America. No brand makes more rugged work wear in the U.S. than Carhartt,” said Linda Hubbard, chief operating officer, Carhartt. “Our ‘Made in the USA’ line of apparel is entirely based on consumer response; they wanted an option to buy products made here and we responded to their needs.”
Carhartt does produce apparel both domestically and abroad to ensure it can provide American workers with the best fabrics and most durable construction at a competitive price. In 2011, Carhartt purchased more than 16 million pounds of cotton from American farms.
The products made exclusively in the U.S. are:
  • Duck Detroit Jacket (J001)
  • Double-Front Work Dungarees (B01)
  • Duck Active Jac (140)
  • Duck Active Jac (J131)
  • FR Duck Active Jac (FRJ184)
  • FR Midweight Active Jac (FRJ237)
  • FR Relaxed Fit Straight Leg Jean (FRB100)
Each of the “Made in the USA” products feature special labeling and packaging calling out the “Made in the USA” origin. The “Made in the USA” apparel will be sold in retail locations across the United States through Carhartt authorized dealers, on Carhartt.com and through Carhartt’s company-owned stores.

About Carhartt, Inc
Established in 1889, Carhartt is a global premium work wear brand with a rich heritage of developing rugged apparel for workers on and off the job. Headquartered in Dearborn, Mich., with approximately 4,400employees worldwide, Carhartt is privately owned and managed by the descendants of the company‘s founder, Hamilton Carhartt. For more information, visit www.carhartt.com.

#825 Truly Simple - Recycle US Dollars - Vacation in the USA!

Posted by Joel on 03 December 2012 - 09:02 AM

To me, this seems very simple and can be easily done. Traveling overseas or out of country costs more, involves a passport and dealing with Customs. I believe that spending your vacation dollars is one of the best ways to keep your hard earned US dollars in the US. It's quite simple actually. Look at the hotels / resorts, restaurants, shows, ammenities such as golf courses, theme parks, etc. All of these employ tax paying people in the USA.

To me, it's simple math. Recycle your hard earned US dollars, vacation in the USA, and keep your US dollars in the USA. Simple math.

#622 Irwin Industrial Tools

Posted by Rusty Pancelode on 16 August 2012 - 12:18 AM

Irwin Industrial Tools (Yes, the people who make Vise-Grips) closed their DeWitt, Nebraska plant in 2008, and moved production to China.
The reason?
"To keep the Vise-Grip name competitive."

Competitive with what? Harbor freight?

I used to buy their tools because they were made in the US...
Now I won't buy their tools because they are not!

Welcome to the Forum of Shame Irwin Industrial Tools.

#592 Chord Bay - Easy to learn guitar device

Posted by Joel on 10 June 2012 - 01:32 PM

I was watching some reality show where people pitch their product ideas looking for investors. One item that caught my attention was one that was made in America. I actually play the guitar (not well), but found this device quite interesting. The inventor was from Louisiana and said he wanted to keep his US workers employed when asked why he hadn't produced the device overseas.

I can't find anything online about it though, but it was interesting. Chord Bay was the product name I believe.

#4686 Just wanted to say Hello.

Posted by MChippind on 05 October 2014 - 01:29 AM

Thanks. A good amount of data!

#2740 Harley Davidson, PROUDLY Made in the USA Video

Posted by Joel on 03 November 2013 - 07:20 AM

This is truly a great video... too bad they couldn't run it during the superbowl.  It's just under 3 minutes long, and greatly worth it.




#576 What's the difference?

Posted by Rusty Pancelode on 04 June 2012 - 02:53 PM

What's the difference between a product that we expect to be made overseas (a drill from harbor freight for example), and one that is made overseas by a company that really should be building their stuff in the US.

Well, in my mind, the difference is getting to be less and less.

We all know, or are learning, that China has factories that build things.
They will build whatever you need built, to your specs, and you can sell your product as your own, even though your competitor's product is built on the next bench/factory over.
We know this to be true because of Foxconn (I'll use them as an example because most of us have heard of them by now).
Foxconn builds Apple products (iPad, iPhone), Microsoft products (XBOX 360), Dell products (specifics unknown) and the products of many more electronics companies.

So isn't all this stuff essentially built by the same company?
Granted, its built to the "standards" of the client...
but if Foxconn builds it all, who cares what name is stamped on the unit?
Meanwhile, the client company (the one who claims they make a product), doesn't really make anything.
They just pay someone else to make a product that they developed.

Hardly seems like the right way to "build" something, since there's an inherent disconnect between the client and the factory.
Surely that's worse than the disconnect that happens in US companies between the shop-floor and management.

#530 Hi we are trying to start a new company

Posted by JohnnyB on 06 February 2012 - 06:17 PM

Hi im so glad i have found this forum

We are John and Sam we are from a small town in North Carolina.

We used to be a GM authorized manufacturer , we used to build parts for the Saturn line, when that project ended we went manufacturing parts for another automotive supplier as well as a furniture manufacturer supplier.

This company was our sole contract for over 4 years, slowly we noticed that all of the usual people were being replaced with non-american workers (in the main offices)
and we were pushed for more volume and being paid less frequently.

Then all of a sudden we were stranded high and dry.............they took all of their business to Germany and refused to pay us what we were owed, they told us just to count it as a loss on our taxes.

Now we are trying to get back into manufacturing products and putting our wonderful workers back to work.

We have started a campaign on Kickstarter.com to help us achieve this goal we can potentially have 30 + workers in a realtively short time.

There is a growing community of DIY 3D printing and we are wanting to manufacture the filament they will need, currently most of the filament is produced in China, We feel we can Offer a better product cheaper, many complaints are about the filament being out of specs to use in the printers, being too expensive.

Current average costs for filament ( think of weedeater string) is 16-23 usd per pound, we have done the leg work to find bulk suppliers to get the end product costs down between $6.41 and $9.00 per lb.

If you would like to help us put a dent in the Chinese supply of filament please help! check out our kickstarter campaign and tell EVERYONE!


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#852 Ronald Reagan - 1985 Proclamation 5424 - "Made in America Month"

Posted by Joel on 12 December 2012 - 09:08 AM

Did you know that December was proclaimed "Made in America Month" by President Ronald Reagan in 1985?  He was a great president with amazing foresight.   Thank you Mr. President, and R.I.P.


Proclamation 5424 -- Made in America Month, 1985

December 23, 1985

By the President of the United States of America


A Proclamation


America's current trade problems have caused some to wonder whether this country may not be in danger of losing its reputation as a supplier of high quality products at competitive prices. As America's strong economic growth has led to increased demand for goods and services, imports have become more attractive because of the relative strength of the dollar. U.S. exports have become less attractive to foreign buyers for the same reason. Recently, however, increased growth in the economies of our trading partners and movement of the dollar toward a more sustainable equilibrium give us reason to expect that our trade deficit should ease in the near future. Tough foreign competition, in the last few years, has presented our manufacturers and our work force with a stiff challenge.


But America's producers are responding to that challenge, and it is time for consumers both here and abroad to take a fresh look at what America has to offer. Those who do will find the traditional variety, high quality, and dependability that ``Made in the U.S.A.'' has come to symbolize. They also will find this quality at more competitive prices.


Made in America Month also provides an opportunity for American firms and workers to resolve to take greater advantage of new competitive opportunities both here at home and in overseas markets. We Americans do not shrink from competition; we believe in competition -- fair competition. Historically, competition constantly creates pressure for innovation, product improvement, and customer satisfaction. The open marketplace makes the consumer the king, and we are all consumers.


In an increasingly competitive world, we Americans must redouble our efforts to make products of the highest quality in the most efficient way and market them aggressively. As we do I have no doubt that more and more Americans and foreigners will be drawn to the products with the proud label: ``Made in America.''


The Congress of the United States, by Senate Joint Resolution 206, has authorized and requested the President to proclaim December 1985 as ``Made in America Month'' and authorized and requested the President to issue a proclamation in observance of this event.


Now, Therefore, I, Ronald Reagan, President of the United States of America, do hereby proclaim December 1985 as Made in America Month. I invite the people of the United States to observe this month with appropriate programs and activities to recognize and celebrate the excellence of American products.


In Witness Whereof, I have hereunto set my hand this twenty-third day of December, in the year of our Lord nineteen hundred and eighty-five, and of the Independence of the United States of America the two hundred and tenth.


Ronald Reagan

[Filed with the Office of the Federal Register, 10:40 a.m., December 24, 1985]


#851 USA Beer Market Insights 2012

Posted by Average Joe on 12 December 2012 - 09:01 AM

USA Beer Market Insights 2012

This 168 page report provides a detailed analysis of the beer market in the USA, detailing market size, growth, segmentation, distribution and value.

The report looks at current and emerging trends, provides an industry outlook and includes import and export data. Furthermore the report includes detailed brand analysis including volumes for the top 10 beer brands and international premium and superpremium brands by volume.

The report also details new products, taxation data, distribution by channel, distribution trends, consumption by price segment and packaging data. The report is supported by historical data to 2011 along with latest forecasts. Finally the report provides in-depth profiles of the major brewers active in the USA beer market.

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#4162 Alstom-Hornell Production Line Supervisor - (HORNELL, New York)

Posted by admin on 20 June 2014 - 07:58 PM

Supervise Craft personnel in day-to-day activities associated with the production and maintenance aspects of the associated work areas.

- Identifying and driving product line development (production flow, fixturing, tooling).

Responsible to assure all assigned personnel are properly trained and appropriately assigned.
Responsible for monitoring quality (self-inspection, Operations/Methods/Standards) and training thereof.

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#395 Shedding Light on Solar Scandal

Posted by Joel on 28 September 2011 - 08:21 AM

Wednesday, Sep. 28, 2011 Shedding light on solar scandal

By DICK POLMAN - The Philadelphia Inquirer

It's hard to tell who is having the worst September - Barack Obama or the Boston Red Sox - but I give the nod to the president, if only because of the scandal involving Solyndra.

Perhaps you're asking: "Who the heck is Solyndra? Another White House intern?" Uh, no. It's not that kind of scandal. Solyndra is a bankrupt solar-panel manufacturer, a metaphor for an administration in serious political trouble.

Solyndra isn't Watergate or Iran-Contra or Monicagate, but it's certainly no boon for Obama when the company's executives invoke their right to remain silent. That happened on Friday. They took the Fifth during a congressional hearing. Solyndra was supposed to be the superstar exemplar of Obama's green agenda, yet here we have its top people clamming up via the constitutional route long favored by mobsters.

Consider this a gift-wrapped package for the Republicans, who are hungry as always for evidence of Obama ineptitude, particularly on the eve of the '12 campaign. The details of the Solyndra affair are not very sexy, nor do they fit on a bumper sticker - but they can be easily refashioned as rhetorical weapons.

Such as: Obama's economic stewardship is so bad that he can't even create green jobs.
Such as: Obama plays politics with the taxpayers' money.

Such as: How many more Obama-connected firms will taxpayers have to foot the bill for?

And hey, since even Jon Stewart has seen fit to skewer Obama over Solyndra, it's certainly fair game for Republicans to do the same. As Stewart shouted out to the GOP, "That custom-tailored Obama scandal you ordered is finally here!"

The gist is that, in early 2009, the Obama team steered a $535 million taxpayer-backed loan to the solar company, with the expectation that Solyndra would make solar panels and create 1,100 jobs. George Kaiser, a major Obama donor and key Solyndra investor, visited the White House four times before the loan was approved. (Republicans: "Crony capitalism!")
Solyndra's top executives insisted at the time that the company was in the prime of health. Top federal bureaucrats were not so sure - one White House budget analyst contended in an e-mail, "This deal is not ready for prime time" - but they were repeatedly pushed by higher powers to OK the deal. One official at the Office of Management and Budget referred, in an email, to "the time pressure we are under to sign off on Solyndra." (Those emails were aired in the initial congressional hearings.)

They dutifully signed off. Vice President Biden hailed the loan at a September 2009 groundbreaking ceremony, and Obama followed up eight months later with a photo-op visit to Solyndra, where he declared "companies like Solyndra are leading the way toward a brighter and more prosperous future."

Whereupon the future for Solyndra got dimmer.

To make its solar panels, the company used silicon - at a time when its competitors were using a far less costly material, polysilicon. Which meant that Solyndra was increasingly being priced out of the solar panel market. The result? Solyndra went bankrupt last month, 1,100 people lost their jobs, leaving taxpayers on the hook for the loan. Then the FBI showed up to raid the place.

Questions abound, guaranteeing that this story will continue to dribble out. Did Obama's people do their homework on Solyndra's business model? Was the loan approval rushed? What did they know about Solyndra's woes, and when did they know it? Four months before the bankruptcy filing, an administration aide wrote to a Solyndra executive, "Keep up the good work! We're cheering for you."

A bit of perspective on this misadventure would be helpful.

Yes, $535 million is a lot of taxpayer money; on the other hand, according to federal figures, that's less than the taxpayer tab for two days of occupation in Iraq. Secondly, taxpayers shell out trillions in defense spending to ensure via military prowess that foreign oil flows here unabated - and then they pay for the environmental consequences. Thirdly, Obama didn't invent the green loan program; that honor goes to the '05 Republican Congress (which enacted the law), and George W. Bush (who signed it). In fact, it was Bush's Energy Department that launched the loan process for Solyndra.

But none of that matters right now; in Washington parlance, the political "optics" look bad for Obama. Clean, green energy has long been a key plank in his agenda, yet now we have the prospect of a drip-drip scandal that Republicans can frame as a metaphor for his job performance. It's true that scandals flare and fade with increasing rapidity in our ADD culture, but the numerous federal probes are likely to keep this one flickering, with Solyndra as Obama's albatross.

That won't satisfy the GOP, however. Going forward, conservatives can be expected to invoke "Solyndra" as a synonym for "government meddling," to trumpet one company's demise as proof that Washington should play no role in nurturing green technology - or any other innovations.

They will simply ignore the historical fact that government has long been a financial nurturer, in everything from synthetic rubber to the Internet. Instead they will roll their eyes at prospective new ventures and say, "What's this, another Solyndra?" Sure enough, the conservative Club for Growth declared on Thursday that proposed tax credits for the natural-gas industry constitute "the same misguided principles behind the decision to spend taxpayer dollars on Solyndra."

Granted, the urge to score points against Obama is tough to resist. But, as Republicans wisely acknowledged when they enacted the loan law, going green is clearly a bipartisan imperative. We'd lose as a nation if it devolved into a partisan food fight.

Dick Polman is a columnist for the Philadelphia Inquirer. Readers may write to him at: Philadelphia Inquirer, P.O. Box 8263, Philadelphia, Pa. 19101, or by email at dpolman@phillynews.com; blog: http://www.dickpolman.blogspot.com.

#38 Something that opens your eyes a bit....

Posted by Joel on 24 September 2010 - 07:48 PM

I saw this little story online, and wanted to share it with everyone in the hopes to perhaps bring to light the importance of this website.... This is just a little story.. enjoy... :D

John Smith started the day early, having set his alarm clock (made in Japan) for 6:00 A.M.. While his coffee pot (made in China) was perking, he shaved with his electric razor (made in Hong Kong). He put on a dress shirt (made in Sri Lanka), dress jeans (made in Singapore) and Tennis shoes (made in Korea).

After cooking his breakfast in his new electric skillet (made in India) he sat down with his calculator, (made in Mexico) to see how much he could spend today. He then set his watch (made in Taiwan) to the radio (made in India). John then gets into his car (made in Germany) filled with gas (from Saudi Arabia) and continued his search for a good paying American Job.

At the end of another disgusting, fruitless day, he checks his computer (made in Malaysia). He decides to relax a while. He puts on his sandals (made in Brazil), pours himself a glass of wine (made in France), and turns on his TV (made in Indonesia) and wonders why he can’t find a good paying job in America.

#3248 UnBreakoBall - Hardcore Dog Toys - Made in the USA

Posted by Joel on 26 January 2014 - 08:58 AM

I was contacted by UnBreakOBall about their products, and it happened at just the right time.  I happen to have a 102 lb 5 yr old black lab "puppy" and he can tear apart anything.  He's not a real "chewer" but he often pops soccer balls, and even a basket ball.   His favorite toy is actually a bowling pin, which works great, since it strengthens his neck since it's lopsided like a goose would be...  Anyway......



Thor at UnBreakOBall contacted me, and I was pleasant surprised to see all their products made in the USA.  Here's some info on them, and their web site.  Please be sure to mention that you heard of them here at KeepItUSAMade.com


Ardwin Products LLC A.K.A. UNBREAKOBALL                          www.UnBreakOBall.com
UNBREAKOBALL ~ If Your Pet Breaks It...We Will Replace It. GUARANTEED!


We are a family run company. Our goal is to support the American Worker. Purchase and supply American Made Products. And just as important, Promote Positive Bully Breed Awareness. We have owned and LOVED Pitbulls for more then 30 years. Even back in the day before all the bad publicity. It is up to us (The Pitbull Lovers) around the country to help protect this breed and educate the public. We currently have two. Chase is a mischievous 5 year old with a ton of energy. She was rescued from a home in Detroit. Bebe is the elder at 13 years old. Bebe keeps up with Chase as best as she can. Chase keeps Bebe young at heart.

Our Mission

We here at Unbreakoball have a passion for what we do, and we want to pass that along to you. The great people behind Unbreakoball are here to ensure that you will receive what you want— the way you want it. Our people believe that each customer deserves our full attention. We want to ensure that you have a memorable experience when purchasing from Unbreakoball. We take a great deal of pride in our MADE IN AMERICA PRODUCTS. Unbreakoball offers high quality dog toys & breed awarenes products at affordable prices.

#303 Tax Break idea for US Made Products

Posted by Joel on 09 September 2011 - 01:24 PM

I have been thinking... we all need to start buying products Made in the USA, or increase our purchasing of US Made (domestic) products. Yes, we all want US manufacturing to increase, and jobs to increase, however; neither of those can or WILL increase until there is an increase in Product Demand.

The president was talking about giving tax breaks to companies hiring people unemployed over 6 months, etc... but why would they hire anyone if no one is buying their products?

Would a "Trickle Up" effect work best? Perhaps there needs to be an additional bar on our barcode for the scanners to identify if a product was Made in the USA. If it was, perhaps the tax on this item could / should be half of what it originally was, or even 20% of the original tax.

I was talking to someone the other day about this, and they said what if we completely waived taxes on all domestic products... Well, our govt is out of money, and they still need to receive some, just not as much as we've been paying in the past. Granted, the increased volume of US made products will increase, thus driving more production, in turn creating more jobs and puting money back into the hands of the hard working tax-paying US citizens.

I believe that the US manufacturers should receive some sort of additional tax breaks, not sure how yet. The US Gov't will also need to monitor and police labels on products claiming to be made in the USA. I feel that if a product contains over 85% materials all made in the USA, it would qualify as Made in the USA. The FTC will need to crack down on enforcing this. It would be great if the labels which indicate "Made in the USA" also had a number such as 65+, 75+, 85+, or 100% indicating what percentage of the pieces or parts used were made in the USA for the end product.

I don't consider using anything less than 75% American pieces, to constitute a product to be considered as "Made in the USA"

So, what does everyone think about this? I'm brain storming here... had a lot of coffee today, haaa haa biggrin.gif

#656 Scotch Packaging Tape

Posted by Stephanie Crider on 14 November 2012 - 04:52 PM

I have some Scotch packaging tape that is made in the USA!

Stephanie Crider

#446 Christmas Challenge - can you buy US made Christmas presents?

Posted by Joel on 05 November 2011 - 07:16 PM

Interesting article...Let’s keep our dollars invested in America and get our economy moving again....
I challenge you to see how many of your Christmas gift dollars stay in America. Pass it on and challege your friends.

As the holidays approach, the giant Asian factories are kicking into high gear to provide Americans with monstrous piles of cheaply produced goods -- merchandise that has been produced at the expense of American labor. This year will be different. This year Americans will give the gift of genuine concern for other Americans. There is no longer an excuse that, at gift giving time, nothing can be found that is produced by American hands. Yes there is!
It's time to think outside the box, people. Who says a gift needs to fit in a shirt box, wrapped in Chinese produced wrapping paper?

Everyone -- yes EVERYONE gets their hair cut. How about gift certificates from your local American hair salon or barber?

Gym membership? It's appropriate for all ages who are thinking about some health improvement.

Who wouldn't appreciate getting their car detailed? Small, American owned detail shops and car washes would love to sell you a gift certificate or a book of gift certificates.

Are you one of those extravagant givers who think nothing of plunking down the Benjamins on a Chinese made flat-screen? Perhaps that grateful gift receiver would like his driveway sealed, or lawn mowed for the summer, or driveway plowed all winter, or games at the local golf course.

There are a bazillion owner-run restaurants -- all offering gift certificates. And, if your intended isn't the fancy eatery sort, what about a half dozen breakfasts at the local breakfast joint. Remember, folks this isn't about big National chains -- this is about supporting your home town Americans with their financial lives on the line to keep their doors open.

How many people couldn't use an oil change for their car, truck or motorcycle, done at a shop run by the American working guy?

Thinking about a heartfelt gift for mom? Mom would LOVE the services of a local cleaning lady for a day.

My computer could use a tune-up, and I KNOW I can find some young guy who is struggling to get his repair business up and running.

OK, you were looking for something more personal. Local crafts people spin their own wool and knit them into scarves. They make jewelry, and pottery and beautiful wooden boxes.

Plan your holiday outings at local, owner operated restaurants and leave your server a nice tip. And, how about going out to see a play or ballet at your hometown theatre? Musicians need love too, so find a venue showcasing local bands.

Honestly, people, do you REALLY need to buy another ten thousand Chinese lights for the house? When you buy a five dollar string of light, about fifty cents stays in the community. If you have those kinds of bucks to burn, leave the mailman, trash guy or babysitter a nice BIG tip.

You see, Christmas is no longer about draining American pockets so that China can build another glittering city. Christmas is now about caring about US, encouraging American small businesses to keep plugging away to follow their dreams. And, when we care about other Americans, we care about our communities, and the benefits come back to us in ways we couldn't imagine. THIS is the new American Christmas tradition.

Visit www.KeepItUSAMade.com and join the discussion forum for FREE. Share with others what Christmas gifts you are buying that are Made in the USA.

Forward this to everyone on your mailing list -- post it to discussion groups -- throw up a post on Craigslist in the Rants and Raves section in your city -- send it to the editor of your local paper and radio stations, and TV news departments. This is a revolution of caring about each other, and isn't that what Christmas is about?

#3243 Step 2 Children's Toys

Posted by Average Joe on 26 January 2014 - 07:17 AM

I was in Wal-Mart, and found this....  It's the Step 2 Shoping cart, proudly stating Made with Love in the USA.   Whoohoo!!!  Thank you Step 2. 


Now all I need is a child to buy this for, haa haa   :roflmao:


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#144 How did you find out about the KeepItUSAMade.com social network forum?

Posted by Joel on 22 August 2011 - 04:47 PM

Hello everyone, I've been working hard to do everything I can, emailing everyone I could in the media, joining groups, facebook page, twitter and more. I am curious to learn how everyone found this site. If you found this site somehow not mentioned above, please leave a link to where you heard about it. Thank you and enjoy the forum!! :smileytoast: